SOUTHERN RAILWAY COMPANY
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Southern Railway System Painting Information
by hosam
DIESELS
| Switchers | Freight Cabs | Freight Hoods | Passenger Cabs | Railcar Paint | SMRF Paint Discussions |
ROLLING STOCK PAINT INFORMATION
| Freightcar Paint | Big John Paint | Cabooses Paint |
ROLLING STOCK GENERAL INFORMATION
| Southern Freight Car Brochure | Sketches of Early Southern Cabooses |
STEAM ENGINE INFORMATION
| Ps4 ROSTER | Steam Locomotive Paint | Steam Locomotive Pictures | 4501 |
PASSENGER CAR INFORMATION
| Crescent Limited History | Queen & Crescent Limited History | Southern Crescent History [page not in site archive] |
GENERAL INFORMATION
| Branchline Rail sizes |
PAINT MIXES for MODELS
All the following color mixes are based on PollyScale Acrylics paint numbers
All bottle sizes are 1 fluid ounce size
Capful refers to the cap on the bottle
HK=Herald King decals for reference only
MS=Microscale DecalsSOUTHERN SOLID BLACK W/WHITE LETTERING 1940-49 BLACK-ENGINE BLACK #414110 DECALS-WALTHERS #88-75(SWITCHERS-WHITE LETTERS) SOUTHERN GREEN & WHITE YELLOW LETTERING 1949-59 GREEN-SOUTHERN SYLVAN GREEN #414374 OR TO MATCH STEWART UNITS USE CNW GREEN #414188 WHITE-SP LETTERING GRAY #414179 OR WHITE #414113 FOR A FADED UNIT DECALS MS #87-62 (ALL CAB UNITS)BOTH GREEN AND WHITE MUST BE PAINTED. MS #87-878(1940-1960 HOOD & SWITCHERS) MS #87-540(USE THESE STRIPES ON HOOD UNITS IF YOU DON'T PAINT THE WHITE) MS #87-879(1940-1960 ALL CAB DIESEL UNITS) SOUTHERN BLACK & WHITE(TUXEDO SCHEME)WITH GOLD LETTERING 1959-82 BLACK-ENGINE BLACK 414110 WHITE-SP LETTERING GRAY #414179 OR WHITE #414113 FOR A FADED UNIT DECALS MS #87-32(EARLY HOOD UNITS) MS #87-539(LATER HOOD UNITS) MS #87-540 DULUX GOLD STRIPES MS #87-540(USE THESE STRIPES ON HOOD UNITS IF YOU DON'T PAINT THE WHITE) BLACK & WHITE (TUXEDO SCHEME) WITH YELLOW LETTERING MS #87-62 (ALL CAB UNITS)BOTH BLACK AND WHITE MUST BE PAINTED.NOTE: The change to dulux (darker yellow Scotchlite) gold lettering and striping began with SD40-2 3315 in 1978, although the nose heralds continued to be metallic gold through the balance of the last SD40-2 order, ending with 3328 in 1978. To the best of my knowledge, all the SD24 and GP30 were delivered with metallic gold tape lettering and striping. Photographic evidence supports that some early repaints from green did receive dulux gold painted lettering on a black carbody in 1957 when the change was made to black. Units repainted after this change also began to receive dulux gold, which would include GP30's. So, it would be accurate to model a GP30 post-1978 in dulux gold Scotchlite, but not before. Quite a few GP30's received the darker yellow dulux gold Scotchlite before the switch to the NS painted pony. Bob Graham
MODELING DETAILS-SOUTHERN
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L Pucketts Southern Site
Excellent Southern site, good pics and information...hosam...
Southern Check Digits
Southern Cabooses
Walkway Lights
Hogshead Tobacco Cars
Passenger Train Consists
RS3 Marker lamps
"F" Unit Horns
GP7 Fuel Tank Data
Pasenger Train Operation
Crescent Limited
Lines & Divisions
Southern Railway SubsidiariesSouthern Check Digits
08/23/98 SEMRA list Not sure if I can make this simple but here goes: Southern used A, F, H, J, K, L, R, T, W & X on their engines. let us assign numbers to the above digits A=0, F=1, H=2, J=3, K=4, L=5, R=6,T=7, W=8 AND X=9. Take the engine number say 3971 which is an X. add first number to 2 times the second number plus the third number plus 2 times the fourth number. 3+(2*9)+7+(2*1)= now this wont work if the formula is applied straight away. If any result such as (2*9) which is 18 then you use the two digits in 18 as 1+8. Now the formula becomes 3+(1+8)+7+2=21. WE are not there yet. you subtract the answer from the next larger even number in units of 10. In this example this would be 30-21=9 OR X. Another example might be engine 701 which is a J. Since there are only 3 digits simply put a zero in front. This will give 0+(2*7)+0+(2*1)= 0+(1+4)+0+(2)=7 10-7=3 which is J. This is for all who don't have internet access or a large library..... hosamTOP
ATLAS HIGH-HOOD GP-38'S
Guys, I was just looking over one of the new Atlas GP-38HH models and I noticed a detail part that was missing from the shell and one that some of you may want to add. The part that I'm referring to is the toilet water fill hatch which is found on either side of the short hood of most all SOUTHERN lcomotives.Poop chute (SMRF term), part 24 in all Cannon Hi-Hood kits, look and I'll bet you you didn't install them! Don't forget the label just above them. And that's the firemans side of the short hood!! What's with this left and right business???...hosam...
In referrng to my SOUTHERN books and my photo collection, I see that the GP-38's ( and AC's ) that had this feature always located on the left side of the short hood. Not all my photos show this hatch so if you want to leave it off, you can do so and still be prototypical.
GP-38 & 38AC's were usually on firemans side of short hood. GP-38-2's were generally on the engineers side of short hood...
Let me offer you a suggestion as to how to add this part and even how to add it to decorated models. Go to your favorite art or engineering supply store and purchase an engineer's drawing template....mine is made by Template Designs, part no. TD 422. On this template is a series of squares and one of them is the correct size for the water hatch. You may have to trim the template to use it, but be sure to leave a square side so as to be able to line up the cuts you are about to make. lay the template on the short hood and scribe the outline of the square onto the model. Now drill a series of small holes witin the lines of this square and remove this portion of the plastic. Trim the edges VERY, VERY carefully to get a tight fit and file smooth with any small files you may have on hand. Please take your time trimming the square by cutting once, fitting twice. After you are satisfied with your fit, paint the hatch, let dry and secure with your choice of cement. I hope this helps. If there are any questions, feel free to write back to me and this list.
Good idea and don't forget to add a sand filler on short hood after filling in the hole left by moving the bell to long hood end...
How about the fuel filters under the walkway on firemans side just after the notch?? Renumber to 2741 and you won't have to fiddle with the fuel tanks!...
Renumber 2803 to 2879, add spark arresters and the "John A. Chambliss" under firemans window, install the "poop chute" up a bit higher than the 2741.
And last of all don't forget to move the "F" from the short end to the long end, and turn the engineer around so he's facing the right way...hosam...This was a retro-fit, and the as delivered units did not have this hatch. Those modeling newly delivered units in the late 1960s and early to mid- 1970s would not need this part. It appeard that Southern began adding these in late 1970s-early 1980s time frame. Warren Calloway
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SOUTHERN CABOOSES
Let's take a stab at the Southern steel caboose. In 1941 and '42 the Southern built a number of steel, bay-window cabooses at the Spartanburg shops from old stock cars and drop bottom gons. These were 38' and numbered X2282-2929. They had rounded rear roof corners. From '48-51 new all-steel bay window cabooses were built: X3139-3270. Some of these were rebuilt in '52 with welded sides. The X6868 series -- still 38' -- was built in '51 onward. All of these critters look 'about' the same. You can fake an Athearn the hard way or the easy way. Easy, slice the bay-window roof to about 60 degrees, cement on a flat hunk of styrene and call it a night. You can replace the walkways, making the floor square all around, as opposed to Athearns indented steps -- and apply box-style steps. Check Walthers, somebody makes a white metal part that works with minimum filing. You can fabricate new sides out of styrene to get the window spacing correct. SRR cabooses have four evenly spaced, even sized windows per side, plus three in the bay. Then get one round porthole per end, cover the existing end and you're kinda close. Microscale makes the decals on a minisheet, if memory serves. The Walthers bay-window caboose is really a better starting place. It's closer to the right length, the bay roof is okay, the side windows are wrong, the steps are closer, but the indent on the end platforms is wrong again. Somebody knows better, but I think the Athearn bay is based on a SP prototype. I use it for my own road, because it's really close to a second run of bay-window cabooses the P&LE bought. But I do pretend, er, proto- freelancing. I love the Southern, it's Alexandria Union Station is just a mile from my driveway, but I model the NYC and it's kin circa 63. There are reference books out there, go get'em. Bernie HalloranSouthern Railway Subsidiary Cabooses (late-60s to late-80s)
Numbers Road Type Notes X4-X97 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new (which numbers?) X90 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new, rptd. S.R. X10-X15 INT. wood cupola caboose - new (not all carried "X" after merger). X16 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-N.&W. X20-X21 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-DL&W. 614, 670. X25-X35 CR&N. baywindow caboose - new. (one # skipped?). X65-X67 G&F. steel cupola caboose - new? X70-X71 TA&G. baywindow caboose - acquired 1961, ex-S.R. X122 GAS&C. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3122?) X153 Ga.No. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3153?) X251-X253 S&A. steel cupola caboose - new. X255-X256 S&A. steel cupola caboose - ex-Reading (?). X258-X259 Tenn. baywindow caboose - ex-209-210, ex-S.R. (309) A&EC. baywindow caboose - retired late-60s. X400 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Southern Iron & Equip. 6/69. X485 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 1970. X515 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 11-70. X592 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 9-71. X600 GS&F. baywindow caboose - ex-X8543. X2912 G&F. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X2919 CG. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X2924 A&N. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R. X3099 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3118 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3136 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3149 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3151 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3156 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18439. X3169 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3172 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18441. X3201 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3227 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3265 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3291 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X3312 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. X6060-X6068 AGS. baywindow caboose X6895 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&NE. X6900 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&NE. X6905 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&a Information from Jerry M. LaBoda 08/20/01TOP
WALKWAY LIGHTS
> Southern Railway had walkway lights on their units. These were mounted on > the side of the hood near the roof to illuminate the locomotive's walkways > and I think SR is the only railroad that used them. In the past when I was > in Seattle I have used fairly expensive brass castings that came from a > small manufacturing source. > > Does anyone make these things in plastic? At a lower cost? > > Alton Lanier Details West has had these for some time now. Part #172, 8 for $1.25. See Walthers 2001 catalog page 913 or go to:Details West You will have to fab a bracket for some applications but in many cases just clip the post and CA to side of unit...TOP
HOGSHEAD TOBACCO CARS
A couple of observations on the Southern Tobacco Hogsheads cars, as modeled by Ambroid and Quality Craft (is the Quality Craft kit a re-issue of the Ambroid 1 of 5000 ?). The cars as delivered in 1963 were lettered in the then-current Southern block lettering - 24" SOUTHERN, 16" road #, 12" motto "SUPER CUSHION SERVICE" in white on a SR freightcar red body. The large "SOUTHERN" and road number were centered to left of door, the motto "super cushion service" was centered to the right of the door, each word above the next. Over the years, these cars received all the variations of modern era Southern freightcar lettering schemes, including the "SOUTHERN gives a green light to innovations" scheme with green inside the "O" in SOUTHERN, 1980-era "thin block lettering", post-1982 Southern "N&W-style" rounded Gothic, and a few have actually gotten the full NS image retaining SR reporting marks. All lettering has alwys been white. Carbody color changed from the more reddish SR freightcar red early on to a more brownish hue by 1982. The NS repaints got the same darker brown that is current on NS house cars. I don't know about the Quality Craft kit, but the Ambroid car came with decals for the as-delivered scheme, along with a well-done lettering diagram. I'm unaware of other decals for this car. The Ambroid kit of this car is modeled with a roll-up door. This door was discarded early on as a maintenance headache and was replaced by a plug door of Southern design that is basically flat plate with 2 stiffeners and easy to model. All these cars were modified with the plug door by the Southern. Most still retain the green skylights also, which are a transluscent fibreglass material. These cars are universally referred to on the Southern and sucessor NS as "tobacco barns". There are about 25 or so of the hip-roof tobacco barns still in service, although changes in the tobacco industry and the containerization of international shipping have largely taken them out of tobacco service now. The remaining cars in this area are serving in rubber truck tire service from Goodyear in Danville, VA to points all over the US. The 40-year FRA lifetime limit on underframes on cars in interchange service will soon sideline these interesting and distinctive cars. If you're interested in seeing them in service, come to Danville, VA, but don't tarry, as change happens. A few will almost always be found in the old NF&D yard east of the passenger station, which is used for empty car holding for Goodyear. You might also get lucky and see one in your local area. I'm told a lot of traffic from Goodyear goes through Conway, PA to pointsthroughout the N.E. US. Bob GrahamTOP
PASSENGER TRAIN CONSISTS
HOSAM, heres a consist for your info. Will send some more later when I have more time. Southerner, Train 47, New York to New Orleans, arriving N.O., Mar 18, 1947 SOU 2802 E-6A SOU 705 Bedford Bag-dorm-coach SOU 806 Huntsville Coach SOU 804 Georgia Coach SOU 3302 Virginia Diner SOU 801 Maryland Coach SOU 808 Sheffield Coach SOU 1102 Louisiana tavern Lounge Observation car More later if you want. Jim Murrie Here's some more. These are from Robert Wayner's book "Passenger Train Consists 1923-1973". I got my local library to borrow it on a inter-library loan. Mine actually came from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin of all places! It's about 95 pages of consists. Skyland Special, Sou train 24, Jacksonville to Asheville, departing Savannah on Mar 10, 1946 SOU 1253 4-6-2 steam SOU 406 Bag-Exp car SOU 4056 Bag-Exp SOU 697 Bag-coach SOU 1646 Coach SOU 1631 Coach McCain 12 sec - 1 drawing room Point Lay 10 sect - 2 drawing rooms Sou 1414 Coach --------- Crescent, train 37, New York to New Orleans, departing Lynchburg, VA Jan 16, 1940 SOU 1395 4-6-2 steam SOU 31 postal car W.C.C. Claiborne bag-buffet-club car Park Road 14 sections Andrew Pickens 10 sec - 1 drawing room - 2dbl bed rm SOU 3170 diner Canonbury Tower 8 sec - 1drawing rm - 3dbl bed rm William Davidson 8 sec - 5 dbl bd rm Winthrop College 10 sec - 1 compart - 2 drawing rm Zebulon B. Vance 10 sec - 2 drawing rm Robert E Lee 3 compart - 2 draw rm - lounge observation Tennessean, tr. 45, Washington to Memphis, departing Wash. DC on 1/11/47 SOU 2912 E-7A SOU 2907 E-7A SOU 22 postal SOU 349 Bag-exp SOU 703 Cleveland bag-dorm-coach SOU 1200 coach SOU 1547 coach SOU 904 Loudon coach SOU 3303 Chattanooga diner SOU 812 Charlottesville coach SOU 807 Buntyn coach SOU 1152 Memphis tavern-lounge-obs James W. Sloss 12sec-1 drawing rm Jennings 12 sec - 1 draw rm Villa Verde 10 sec - 3 dbl br ------------------------------------ New Yorker, SOU tr. 40, Atlanta to New York, departing Atlanta Jan 13, 1948 SOU 2914 E7A SOU 2915 E7A PRR 6288 bag. N&W 134 bag-exp SOU 272 bag-mail PRR 7838 bag-exp SOU 660 bag-coach SOU 1203 coach SOU 1005 coach SOU 3163 diner General Longstreet 10 sec - lounge Robert Toombs 10sec - 2 dr rm Lake Mitchell 10 sec -1 dr rm- 2 cmpts ---------------------------------------------- Crescent, tr 37, New York to New Orleans, departing Washington on Apr 9, 1968 SOU 6913 E-8A SOU 2924 E-8A SOU 2920 E-7A SOU 1750 Decatur bag-mail storage car SOU 837 coach SOU 3399 coach SOU 3789 coach SOU 815 coach SOU 821 coach SOU 2010 Rapidan River 10 rmt-6 dbr SOU 3307 diner SOU 2023 Warrior River 10rmt-6dbr PRR 8355 Patapsco River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 2353 Crescent Shores 1master room-2 dr rm-buffet-lounge SOU 2019 Tugalo River 10rmt-6dbr SOU Carolina Business car SOU Virginia Business car ------------------------------------------ Southern Crescent, train1, Washington to New Orleans, departing Atlanta 11/26/72 SOU 6903 E-8A SOU 6912 E-8A SOU 6904 E-8A SOU 711 bag-dorm SOU 816 caoch Amtrak 5602 coach SOU 840 coach SOU 821 coach SOU 2012 Saluda River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 3400 Emory River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 2008 Pacolet River 10rmt-6dbr SOU Shenandoah River 10rmt-6dbr SOU 3311 diner SOU 1602 dome parlor car SOU 6 business car ------------------------------------------- That's it Sam, hope you like it. My eyes are getting kind of crossed so there may be typos. If some car doesn't match a name or number you have we can try to sort it out. Jim MurrieTOP
RS3 MARKER LAMPS
03/06/01 Guys, Now that we've picked up more list members since I asked this question earlier, I'd now like to see if someone new can answer my question for me. I'd like to know how the class lights work on an RS-3 locomotive. Are there three colored lenses on each fixture or are the three lenses clear and are turned on the fixture to display the proper train class?? Thanks for your help, Bob Harpe 03/06/01 I too have "longed" to know about these class lights and especially the colors. From my research, this is what I have found. A few years back I bought a book titled SIGNAL LIGHTS by David Dreimiller and for the life of me cannot remember how or where I got it. Anyway, on page 61 a section begins on Pyle National Electric Marker Lamps and continues with Classification Lamps. These lamps look like the little class lights found on RS-3, S-2's and other early generation diesels of Southern. The book indicates the lamps were electric and have four lenses which are held in by rubber gaskets. The "ball shaped" fixture holding the lenses is secured by a small hold-down bolt. The bolt passes through this fixture downward to the electric base socket (which is how it's mounted to the hood.) "Color changes were made by loosening this bolt and rotating the top assembly." Now comes the confusing part. On one page a caption under a picture reads "..lamp shown here is fitted with green and red lenses" On the next page, the text continues "Classification lamps were attached to the front of the locomotive. Most classification lamps provided only two indications, one to the front and one to the side. Although most featured some method of changing the color of the lenses displayed, the standard colors used were white and green." It continues further with "As with marker lamps, the combination of lenses displayed was dependent on the purpose of the train and was dictated by the railroad's rule book. For example, extra trains typically displayed classification lamps showing white lenses to both the front and the side." As I said, this is confusing as to what color should be modeled. This hasn't really answered the question, and is probably more than anyone wanted to know (or read) about this. I'd appreciate more info on this as I'm modeling the late '50's in what I call the "green years" and love them RS-3's!!! On Geeps, I'm just using clear or white lenses as that is what it looks like in all pictures. mike garber 03/07/01 Found a close up shot of a Southern/CNO&TP RS3. Marker definitely has three lens. Will make print and scan. Also had some small levers/handles used the change the color of the marker. Warren CallowayTOP
"F" Unit Horns 1950-60's
06/16/01 SMRF list I looked over a large number of photos and slides I have of Southern F's in service today. All I have looked at so far through the late 70's have some reversed chimes in their five chime Nathan horn cluster. The SR F-unit pictures with all five chimes pointing forward were taken in the 80's of the four final FP7's used in excursion and office car train service. In the early 80's these four FP7's had their horns changed from the original cord operated straight pneumatic horn system to the sander-type switch operated electro-pneumatic system used on most later SR road switchers. Possibly this may have been when the chimes may have been reconfigured all facing forward or possibly replaced with a new horn cluster with all chimes facing forward. Ben LeeTOP
GP7 Fuel Tank Data
ROAD # FIRST # OWNER AS BUILT Mid 1950s 1972 CAP S/G D/B WATER NOTES O/N B/N B/D 8210 - 8213 8210-8213 GS&F 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. YES NO 1040 gal 6068 10984-10987 May-50 8216 106 CG 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal. NO NO 5004 12068 Jul-50 107 CG 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal NO NO Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 5004 12069 Jul-50 8217-8220 120-123 CG 1100 gal 1100 gal 1100 gal. YES NO 1100 gal Air tanks on roof 5059 9661-9663 May-51 8221-8229 124-132 CG 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal. NO NO 5118 14479-14488 04/51-05/51 8230 406 A&EC 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6299 14571 May-51 8231-8234 701-704 G&F 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal. NO NO 6069 11091-11094 Sep-50 705-706 G&F 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal NO NO Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 6069 11095-11096 Sep-50 8235-8236 705-707 TA&G 1200 gal 1200 gal 1200 gal. NO NO 6303 14569-14570 Apr-51 8237 708 TA&G 1200gal 1200gal 1200 gal. NO NO 6303 14740 Aug-51 8238-8244 2063-2069 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6485 17675-17681 Jan-53 8245 2070 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1500 gal. NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 6485 17682 Jan-53 8246 2071 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6485 17683 Jan-53 2072 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 6485 17684 Jan-53 8247-8248 2073-2074 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6485 17685-17686 Jan-53 2075 SOU 800 gal 1600 gal 1600 gal. NO NO Modified capy at Spencer-Ret prior to 8200-series #s 6485 17687 Jan-53 8249-8250 2076-2077 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6485 17688-17689 Jan-53 8251-8260 2156-2165 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. YES NO 1040 gal 2159, 2161, 2164 have 800 gallons water capacity 5078 13460-13469 Apr-51 8261 2166 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 5117 13470 Jun-51 2167 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 5117 13471 Jun-51 8262-8269 2168-2173 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 5117 13472-13477 Jun-51 8269 2174 SOU 800 gal 1500 gal 800 gal NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 5117 13478 Jun-51 8269 2175 SOU 800 gal 1500 gal 1500 gal. NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 5117 13479 Jun-51 8270 2176 SOU 800 gal 1500 gal 800 gal NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 5117 13480 Jun-51 8271 2177 SOU 800 gal 1500 gal 1500 gal. NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 5117 13481 Jun-51 8272-8273 2178-2179 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 5117 13482-13483 Jul-51 8274 2180 SOU 800 gal 1500 gal 800 gal. NO NO Modified capacity at Spencer 5117 13484 May-51 8275-8277 2181-2183 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1440 gal. NO YES MOD 1967-RC Master 5208 16501-16503 Sep-52 2184 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1440 gal. NO YES MOD 1967-RC Master-Retired prior to 8200 series #s 5208 16504 Sep-52 8278 2185 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1440 gal. NO YES MOD 1967-RC Master 5208 16505 Sep-52 2186 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1440 gal. NO YES MOD 1967-RC Master-Retired prior to 8200 series #s 5208 16506 Sep-52 8279-8285 2187-2189 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 1440 gal. NO YES MOD 1967-RC Master 5208 16507-16509 Sep-52 8282-8285 2190-2193 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal NO YES 5208 16510-16513 Sep-52 2194 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal NO YES Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 5208 16514 Sep-52 8286-8287 2195-2196 SOU 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal NO YES 5208 16515-16516 Sep-52 8288 2197 NO&NE 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. NO NO 6485 17674 Jan-53 6200-6201 CNO&TP 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal YES NO 800 gal Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 6032 10146-10147 Apr-50 8289-8290 6202-6203 CNO&TP 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. YES NO 800 gal 6032 10148-10149 Apr-50 8291-8292 6204-6205 CNO&TP 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal. YES NO 800 gal 6032 10977-10978 Apr-50 8293-8297 6240-6244 CNO&TP 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal YES NO 800 gal 6490 17669-17673 Jan-53 8298-8299 6540-6541 AGS 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal YES NO 800 gal 6067 10979-10980 May-50 6542 AGS 800 gal 800 gal 800 gal YES NO 800 gal Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 6067 10981 May-50 8300 6543 AGS 800 gal. 800 gal. 800 gal YES NO 800 gal 6067 10982 May-50 6544 AGS 800 gal. 800 gal. 800 gal YES NO 800 gal Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. 6067 10983 May-50 © Warren Calloway
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SOUTHERN PASSENGER TRAINS
from the April 30, 1967 SRWY timetable w/E8 #6908 on cover
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THE CRESCENT Daily
#37 Southbound #38 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU
From Atlanta, Ga. to Montgomery, Al. via the WPR
From Montgomery, AL. to New Orleans via the L&NTHE SOUTHERNER Daily
#47 Southbound 348 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to New Orleans via the SOUTHE PEACH QUEEN Daily
#29 Southbound #36 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOUTHE PIEDMONT LIMITED Daily
#35 Southbound 334 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Salisbury, Nc. via the SOUTHE ASHEVILLE SPECIAL Twice Daily
#37-15 & 47-15 Southbound #16-38 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Asheville, Nc. via the SOUTHE CAROLINA SPECIAL
Daily #1-28(SC train)1-28-22(NC Train)
Southbound #27-2(NC Train) &
#21-27-2(SC Train) Northbound
From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the NYC
From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the PRR
From Detroit to Toledo, Oh. via the C&O
From Toledo, Oh. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the B&O
From Cincinnati, Oh. to Coloumbia, SC via the SRR(SC train)
From Asheville, NC to Greensboro, Nc. via the SRR(NC train)THE BIRMINGHAM SPECIAL Daily
#17 Southbound #18 Northbound
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Birmingham, Al. via the SOUTHE PELICAN Daily #41 Southbound #42 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Meridian, Ms. via the SOU
From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the IC
From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans via the SOUTHE PELICAN-TENNESSEAN Daily
#41-45 Southbound #46-42 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Memphis, Tn. via the SOUCENTRAL of GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily
#20-9 Southbound #10-19 Northbound
From Atlanta, Ga. to Albany, Ga. via the C of GA
From Albany, Ga. to Jacksonville, Fl. via the ACLCENTRAL OF GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily
#108 Southbound #107 Northbound
From Atlanta, Ga. to Savannah, Ga via the Cof GAData for the Queen & Crescent
is from the April, 1947 SRR timetable
Cincinnati was known as the Queen City
New Orleans was known as the Crescent CityTHE QUEEN & CRESCENT Daily Trains
#1, 3 Southbound, Trains #2, 4 Northbound
From Cincinnati, Oh. to Meridian, Ms. via the SRR
From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the ICRR
From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans, La. via the SRRTOP
THE "CRESCENT LIMITED
The "Crescent Limited" an all Pullman, extra fare train from New York to New Orleans was begun on April 26, 1925. Pulled by the Ps4 Pacific No 1372, which was painted standard black but specially lettered for the "Crescent Limited"(photo in "Steel Steam and Limiteds" page 162)The President of the Southern, Fairfax Harrison, ordered the all Ps4's painted green, after returning from a vacation in England in 1925. The remainder of the Ps4's were delivered from the manufacturer in green.
In 1929 the pullman company delivered the two-color green cars, before this the pullmans were the standard "Pullman Green". The exteriors of the cars are painted in two shades of green. The sides of the cars up to the window sills and the panels above the windows are painted Virginia Green, the shade which Southern Railway passenger locomotives are painted. The panels between the windows are in a lighter shade. All the cars are lettered "Crescent Limited" in gold leaf in the upper panels.
Each train includes one club car; one 8-section, 2 compartment, 1-drawing room sleeping car; one 14-section car; four 10-section, 2-drawing room cars; (2) one 3-compartment, 2-drawing room observation car. Southern Railway postal car is handled between Washington and Atlanta and dining car between Monroe and Atlanta, making the maximum consist ten cars between Monroe and Atlanta. (3) The Southern Railway cars are painted just as the Pullman cars with the exception that the word "Southern" is painted at the ends of the upper panels in place of the word "Pullman."
This train operated as such till 1934 when the name was dropped. The train was renamed 37 & 38 and operated with coaches till 1938. The Southern renamed the train "Crescent" at this time and operated it till 1979. At this time it was transferred to AMTRAK.
THE "QUEEN & CRESCENT LIMITEDS
The "Queen & Crescent Limited", an all Pullman, extra fare train from Cincinnati to New Orleans, was begun on May 1, 1926. This train was similar to the "Crescent Limited" except routing.TOP
System Divisions and Lines
This information from the January 1946 timetable
EASTERN SYSTEM
Charleston Division Charleston and Columbia Charleston, Branchville and Augusta Kingville, Rock Hill and Marion
Charlotte Division Charlottte and Atlanta Toccoa and Elberton--Lula and Athens
Columbia Division Columbia, Savannah and Jacksonville Columbia and Spartanburg Lockhart Junction and Lockhart Columbia and Greenville
Danville Division Monroe and Spencer Greensboro and Goldsboro
Richmond Division Richmond and Danville Norfolk and Danville
Washington Division Washington and Monroe
Winston-Salem Division Greensboro and Winston-Salem Winston-Salem and Charlotte Winston-Salem and North Wilkesboro Charlotte and Statesville CENTRAL SYSTEM
Appalachia Division Bulls Gap and Rogersville
Asheville Division Asheville and Spartansburg Salisbury and Asheville Asheville and Murphy
Atlanta Division Atlanta and Austell Atlanta, Austell and Chattanooga Atlanta and Macon Atlanta, Macon and Brunswick Atlanta and Columbia..Williamson Williamson and Fort Valley Cochran and Hawkinsville Rome and Attalla
Knoxville Division Asheville, Knoxville and Oakdale Knoxville, Clinton and Fonde Corryton and Cumberland Gap Knoxville & Augusta Division Knoxville and Maryville
Memphis Division Chattanooga and Memphis Sheffield and Florence WESTERN SYSTEM
Birmingham Division Atlanta and Birmingham Birmingham and Columbus, Ms. Sheffield, Paris and Birmingham
Louisville Division Louisville and Danville
Mobile Division Birmingham, Wilton, Selma and Mobile Rome, Anniston, Selma and York Selma, Marion Junction and Akron
St.Louis Division Louisville and St. Louis TOP
SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM LINES
Alabama Great Southern Railroad Chattanooga and Meridian Baltimore Steam Packet Company Baltimore and Norfolk Service Blue Ridge Railway Carolina & Northwestern Railway Cincinnatti, New Orleans & Texas Pacific Cincinnatti and Chattanooga Danville & Western Railway Georgia Southern & Florida Railway Macon and jacksonville Valdosta and Palatka Louisville & New Corydon Railroad New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad Meridian and New Orleans Talluah Falls Railway Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad TOP
Subsidary Companies
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