PAINT MIXES for MODELS
All the following color mixes are based on PollyScale Acrylics paint
numbers
All bottle sizes are 1 fluid ounce size
Capful refers to the cap on the bottle
HK=Herald King decals for reference only
MS=Microscale Decals
SOUTHERN SOLID BLACK W/WHITE LETTERING 1940-49
BLACK-ENGINE BLACK #414110
DECALS-WALTHERS #88-75(SWITCHERS-WHITE LETTERS)
SOUTHERN GREEN & WHITE YELLOW LETTERING 1949-59
GREEN-SOUTHERN SYLVAN GREEN #414374
OR TO MATCH STEWART UNITS USE CNW GREEN #414188
WHITE-SP LETTERING GRAY #414179 OR WHITE #414113 FOR A FADED UNIT
DECALS MS #87-62 (ALL CAB UNITS)BOTH GREEN AND WHITE MUST BE PAINTED.
MS #87-878(1940-1960 HOOD & SWITCHERS)
MS #87-540(USE THESE STRIPES ON HOOD UNITS
IF YOU DON'T PAINT THE WHITE)
MS #87-879(1940-1960 ALL CAB DIESEL UNITS)
SOUTHERN BLACK & WHITE(TUXEDO SCHEME)WITH GOLD LETTERING 1959-82
BLACK-ENGINE BLACK 414110
WHITE-SP LETTERING GRAY #414179 OR WHITE #414113 FOR A FADED UNIT
DECALS MS #87-32(EARLY HOOD UNITS)
MS #87-539(LATER HOOD UNITS)
MS #87-540 DULUX GOLD STRIPES
MS #87-540(USE THESE STRIPES ON HOOD UNITS
IF YOU DON'T PAINT THE WHITE)
BLACK & WHITE (TUXEDO SCHEME) WITH YELLOW LETTERING
MS #87-62 (ALL CAB UNITS)BOTH BLACK AND WHITE MUST BE PAINTED.
NOTE:
The change to dulux (darker yellow Scotchlite) gold lettering and striping
began with SD40-2 3315 in 1978, although the nose heralds continued to be
metallic gold through the balance of the last SD40-2 order, ending with 3328
in 1978. To the best of my knowledge, all the SD24 and GP30 were delivered
with metallic gold tape lettering and striping. Photographic evidence
supports that some early repaints from green did receive dulux gold painted
lettering on a black carbody in 1957 when the change was made to black.
Units repainted after this change also began to receive dulux gold, which
would include GP30's. So, it would be accurate to model a GP30 post-1978 in
dulux gold Scotchlite, but not before. Quite a few GP30's received the
darker yellow dulux gold Scotchlite before the switch to the NS painted
pony.
Bob Graham
MODELING DETAILS-SOUTHERN
click on item below to be transported there
L Pucketts Southern Site
Excellent Southern site, good pics and information...hosam...
Southern Check Digits
Southern Cabooses
Walkway Lights
Hogshead Tobacco Cars
Passenger Train Consists
RS3 Marker lamps
"F" Unit Horns
GP7 Fuel Tank Data
Pasenger Train Operation
Crescent Limited
Lines & Divisions
Southern Railway Subsidiaries
Southern Check Digits
08/23/98 SEMRA list
Not sure if I can make this simple but here goes:
Southern used A, F, H, J, K, L, R, T, W & X on their engines.
let us assign numbers to the above digits A=0, F=1, H=2, J=3, K=4, L=5,
R=6,T=7, W=8 AND X=9.
Take the engine number say 3971 which is an X.
add first number to 2 times the second number plus the third number plus 2
times the fourth number. 3+(2*9)+7+(2*1)= now this wont work if the
formula is applied straight away. If any result such as (2*9) which is 18
then you use the two digits in 18 as 1+8. Now the formula becomes
3+(1+8)+7+2=21. WE are not there yet. you subtract the answer from the
next larger even number in units of 10. In this example this would be
30-21=9 OR X.
Another example might be engine 701 which is a J.
Since there are only 3 digits simply put a zero in front. This will give
0+(2*7)+0+(2*1)= 0+(1+4)+0+(2)=7 10-7=3 which is J.
This is for all who don't have internet access or a large library.....
hosam
ATLAS HIGH-HOOD GP-38'S
Guys, I was just looking over one of the new Atlas GP-38HH models and I
noticed a detail part that was missing from the shell and one that some
of you may want to add. The part that I'm referring to is the toilet
water fill hatch which is found on either side of the short hood of most
all SOUTHERN lcomotives.
Poop chute (SMRF term), part 24 in all Cannon Hi-Hood kits, look and I'll
bet you you didn't install them! Don't forget the label just above them.
And that's the firemans side of the short hood!!
What's with this left and right business???...hosam...
In referrng to my SOUTHERN books and my photo collection, I see that the
GP-38's ( and AC's ) that had this feature always located on the left
side of the short hood. Not all my photos show this hatch so if you want
to leave it off, you can do so and still be prototypical.
GP-38 & 38AC's were usually on firemans side of short hood. GP-38-2's were
generally on the engineers side of short hood...
Let me offer you a suggestion as to how to add this part and even how to
add it to decorated models.
Go to your favorite art or engineering supply store and purchase an
engineer's drawing template....mine is made by Template Designs, part
no. TD 422.
On this template is a series of squares and one of them is the correct
size for the water hatch. You may have to trim the template to use it,
but be sure to leave a square side so as to be able to line up the cuts
you are about to make.
lay the template on the short hood and scribe the outline of the square
onto the model. Now drill a series of small holes witin the lines of
this square and remove this portion of the plastic. Trim the edges VERY,
VERY carefully to get a tight fit and file smooth with any small files
you may have on hand. Please take your time trimming the square by
cutting once, fitting twice.
After you are satisfied with your fit, paint the hatch, let dry and
secure with your choice of cement.
I hope this helps. If there are any questions, feel free to write back
to me and this list.
Good idea and don't forget to add a sand filler on short hood after filling
in the hole left by moving the bell to long hood end...
How about the fuel filters under the walkway on firemans side just after the notch??
Renumber to 2741 and you won't have to fiddle with the fuel tanks!...
Renumber 2803 to 2879, add spark arresters and the "John A. Chambliss"
under firemans window, install the "poop chute" up a bit higher than the
2741.
And last of all don't forget to move the "F" from the short end to the
long end, and turn the engineer around so he's facing the right way...hosam...
This was a retro-fit, and the as delivered units did not have this hatch.
Those modeling newly delivered units in the late 1960s and early to mid-
1970s would not need this part. It appeard that Southern began adding
these in late 1970s-early 1980s time frame.
Warren Calloway
SOUTHERN CABOOSES
Let's take a stab at the Southern steel caboose.
In 1941 and '42 the Southern built a number of steel, bay-window
cabooses at the Spartanburg shops from old stock cars and drop bottom gons.
These were 38' and numbered X2282-2929. They had rounded rear roof corners.
From '48-51 new all-steel bay window cabooses were built: X3139-3270.
Some of these were rebuilt in '52 with welded sides.
The X6868 series -- still 38' -- was built in '51 onward.
All of these critters look 'about' the same.
You can fake an Athearn the hard way or the easy way. Easy, slice the
bay-window roof to about 60 degrees, cement on a flat hunk of styrene and
call it a night.
You can replace the walkways, making the floor square all around, as
opposed to Athearns indented steps -- and apply box-style steps.
Check Walthers, somebody makes a white metal part that works with minimum
filing.
You can fabricate new sides out of styrene to get the window spacing
correct. SRR cabooses have four evenly spaced, even sized windows per side,
plus three in the bay. Then get one round porthole per end, cover the
existing end and you're kinda close.
Microscale makes the decals on a minisheet, if memory serves.
The Walthers bay-window caboose is really a better starting place.
It's closer to the right length, the bay roof is okay, the side windows are
wrong, the steps are closer, but the indent on the end platforms is wrong
again.
Somebody knows better, but I think the Athearn bay is based on a SP
prototype. I use it for my own road, because it's really close to a second
run of bay-window cabooses the P&LE bought. But I do pretend, er, proto-
freelancing.
I love the Southern, it's Alexandria Union Station is just a mile from
my driveway, but I model the NYC and it's kin circa 63. There are reference
books out there, go get'em.
Bernie Halloran
Southern Railway Subsidiary Cabooses (late-60s to late-80s)
Numbers Road Type Notes
X4-X97 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new (which numbers?)
X90 C.G. wood cupola caboose - new, rptd. S.R.
X10-X15 INT. wood cupola caboose - new (not all carried "X"
after merger).
X16 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-N.&W.
X20-X21 INT. wood cupola caboose - ex-DL&W. 614, 670.
X25-X35 CR&N. baywindow caboose - new. (one # skipped?).
X65-X67 G&F. steel cupola caboose - new?
X70-X71 TA&G. baywindow caboose - acquired 1961, ex-S.R.
X122 GAS&C. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3122?)
X153 Ga.No. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R. (ex-3153?)
X251-X253 S&A. steel cupola caboose - new.
X255-X256 S&A. steel cupola caboose - ex-Reading (?).
X258-X259 Tenn. baywindow caboose - ex-209-210, ex-S.R.
(309) A&EC. baywindow caboose - retired late-60s.
X400 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Southern Iron & Equip. 6/69.
X485 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 1970.
X515 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 11-70.
X592 SR/CG. baywindow caboose - new, Gantt 9-71.
X600 GS&F. baywindow caboose - ex-X8543.
X2912 G&F. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.
X2919 CG. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.
X2924 A&N. baywindow caboose - round roof, ex-S.R.
X3099 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3118 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3136 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3149 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3151 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3156 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18439.
X3169 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3172 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R., sold to P.C./CR. 18441.
X3201 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3227 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3265 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3291 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X3312 CG. baywindow caboose - ex-S.R.
X6060-X6068 AGS. baywindow caboose
X6895 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&NE.
X6900 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&NE.
X6905 G&F. baywindow caboose - ex-NO&a
Information from Jerry M. LaBoda 08/20/01
WALKWAY LIGHTS
> Southern Railway had walkway lights on their units. These were mounted on
> the side of the hood near the roof to illuminate the locomotive's walkways
> and I think SR is the only railroad that used them. In the past when I was
> in Seattle I have used fairly expensive brass castings that came from a
> small manufacturing source.
>
> Does anyone make these things in plastic? At a lower cost?
>
> Alton Lanier
Details West has had these for some time now. Part #172, 8 for $1.25.
See Walthers 2001 catalog page 913 or go to:Details West
You will have to fab a bracket for some applications but in many cases just
clip the post and CA to side of unit...
HOGSHEAD TOBACCO CARS
A couple of observations on the Southern Tobacco Hogsheads cars, as modeled
by Ambroid and Quality Craft (is the Quality Craft kit a re-issue of the
Ambroid 1 of 5000 ?). The cars as delivered in 1963 were lettered in the
then-current Southern block lettering - 24" SOUTHERN, 16" road #, 12" motto
"SUPER CUSHION SERVICE" in white on a SR freightcar red body. The large
"SOUTHERN" and road number were centered to left of door, the motto "super
cushion service" was centered to the right of the door, each word above the
next. Over the years, these cars received all the variations of modern era
Southern freightcar lettering schemes, including the "SOUTHERN gives a green
light to innovations" scheme with green inside the "O" in SOUTHERN, 1980-era
"thin block lettering", post-1982 Southern "N&W-style" rounded Gothic, and a
few have actually gotten the full NS image retaining SR reporting marks. All
lettering has alwys been white. Carbody color changed from the more reddish
SR freightcar red early on to a more brownish hue by 1982. The NS repaints
got the same darker brown that is current on NS house cars. I don't know
about the Quality Craft kit, but the Ambroid car came with decals for the
as-delivered scheme, along with a well-done lettering diagram. I'm unaware
of other decals for this car.
The Ambroid kit of this car is modeled with a roll-up door. This door was
discarded early on as a maintenance headache and was replaced by a plug door
of Southern design that is basically flat plate with 2 stiffeners and easy
to model. All these cars were modified with the plug door by the Southern.
Most still retain the green skylights also, which are a transluscent
fibreglass material.
These cars are universally referred to on the Southern and sucessor NS as
"tobacco barns". There are about 25 or so of the hip-roof tobacco barns
still in service, although changes in the tobacco industry and the
containerization of international shipping have largely taken them out of
tobacco service now. The remaining cars in this area are serving in rubber
truck tire service from Goodyear in Danville, VA to points all over the US.
The 40-year FRA lifetime limit on underframes on cars in interchange service
will soon sideline these interesting and distinctive cars. If you're
interested in seeing them in service, come to Danville, VA, but don't tarry,
as change happens. A few will almost always be found in the old NF&D yard
east of the passenger station, which is used for empty car holding for
Goodyear. You might also get lucky and see one in your local area. I'm told
a lot of traffic from Goodyear goes through Conway, PA to pointsthroughout
the N.E. US.
Bob Graham
PASSENGER TRAIN CONSISTS
HOSAM, heres a consist for your info. Will send some more
later when I have more time.
Southerner, Train 47, New York to New Orleans, arriving
N.O., Mar 18, 1947
SOU 2802 E-6A
SOU 705 Bedford Bag-dorm-coach
SOU 806 Huntsville Coach
SOU 804 Georgia Coach
SOU 3302 Virginia Diner
SOU 801 Maryland Coach
SOU 808 Sheffield Coach
SOU 1102 Louisiana tavern Lounge Observation car
More later if you want.
Jim
Murrie
Here's some more. These are from Robert Wayner's book
"Passenger Train Consists 1923-1973". I got my local
library to borrow it on a inter-library loan. Mine
actually came from the State Historical Society of
Wisconsin of all places! It's about 95 pages of consists.
Skyland Special, Sou train 24, Jacksonville to Asheville,
departing Savannah on Mar 10, 1946
SOU 1253 4-6-2 steam
SOU 406 Bag-Exp car
SOU 4056 Bag-Exp
SOU 697 Bag-coach
SOU 1646 Coach
SOU 1631 Coach
McCain 12 sec - 1 drawing room
Point Lay 10 sect - 2 drawing rooms
Sou 1414 Coach
---------
Crescent, train 37, New York to New Orleans, departing
Lynchburg, VA Jan 16, 1940
SOU 1395 4-6-2 steam
SOU 31 postal car
W.C.C. Claiborne bag-buffet-club car
Park Road 14 sections
Andrew Pickens 10 sec - 1 drawing room - 2dbl bed rm
SOU 3170 diner
Canonbury Tower 8 sec - 1drawing rm - 3dbl bed rm
William Davidson 8 sec - 5 dbl bd rm
Winthrop College 10 sec - 1 compart - 2 drawing rm
Zebulon B. Vance 10 sec - 2 drawing rm
Robert E Lee 3 compart - 2 draw rm - lounge observation
Tennessean, tr. 45, Washington to Memphis, departing Wash.
DC on 1/11/47
SOU 2912 E-7A
SOU 2907 E-7A
SOU 22 postal
SOU 349 Bag-exp
SOU 703 Cleveland bag-dorm-coach
SOU 1200 coach
SOU 1547 coach
SOU 904 Loudon coach
SOU 3303 Chattanooga diner
SOU 812 Charlottesville coach
SOU 807 Buntyn coach
SOU 1152 Memphis tavern-lounge-obs
James W. Sloss 12sec-1 drawing rm
Jennings 12 sec - 1 draw rm
Villa Verde 10 sec - 3 dbl br
------------------------------------
New Yorker, SOU tr. 40, Atlanta to New York, departing
Atlanta Jan 13, 1948
SOU 2914 E7A
SOU 2915 E7A
PRR 6288 bag.
N&W 134 bag-exp
SOU 272 bag-mail
PRR 7838 bag-exp
SOU 660 bag-coach
SOU 1203 coach
SOU 1005 coach
SOU 3163 diner
General Longstreet 10 sec - lounge
Robert Toombs 10sec - 2 dr rm
Lake Mitchell 10 sec -1 dr rm- 2 cmpts
----------------------------------------------
Crescent, tr 37, New York to New Orleans, departing
Washington on Apr 9, 1968
SOU 6913 E-8A
SOU 2924 E-8A
SOU 2920 E-7A
SOU 1750 Decatur bag-mail storage car
SOU 837 coach
SOU 3399 coach
SOU 3789 coach
SOU 815 coach
SOU 821 coach
SOU 2010 Rapidan River 10 rmt-6 dbr
SOU 3307 diner
SOU 2023 Warrior River 10rmt-6dbr
PRR 8355 Patapsco River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU 2353 Crescent Shores 1master room-2 dr rm-buffet-lounge
SOU 2019 Tugalo River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU Carolina Business car
SOU Virginia Business car
------------------------------------------
Southern Crescent, train1, Washington to New Orleans,
departing Atlanta 11/26/72
SOU 6903 E-8A
SOU 6912 E-8A
SOU 6904 E-8A
SOU 711 bag-dorm
SOU 816 caoch
Amtrak 5602 coach
SOU 840 coach
SOU 821 coach
SOU 2012 Saluda River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU 3400 Emory River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU 2008 Pacolet River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU Shenandoah River 10rmt-6dbr
SOU 3311 diner
SOU 1602 dome parlor car
SOU 6 business car
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That's it Sam, hope you like it. My eyes are getting kind
of crossed so there may be typos. If some car doesn't
match a name or number you have we can try to sort it out.
Jim Murrie
RS3 MARKER LAMPS
03/06/01
Guys, Now that we've picked up more list members since I asked this
question earlier, I'd now like to see if someone new can answer my
question for me.
I'd like to know how the class lights work on an RS-3 locomotive. Are
there three colored lenses on each fixture or are the three lenses clear
and are turned on the fixture to display the proper train class??
Thanks for your help,
Bob Harpe
03/06/01
I too have "longed" to know about these class lights and especially the
colors. From my research, this is what I have found.
A few years back I bought a book titled SIGNAL LIGHTS by David
Dreimiller and for the life of me cannot remember how or where I got
it. Anyway, on page 61 a section begins on Pyle National Electric Marker
Lamps and continues with Classification Lamps. These lamps look like
the little class lights found on RS-3, S-2's and other early generation
diesels of Southern.
The book indicates the lamps were electric and have four lenses which
are held in by rubber gaskets. The "ball shaped" fixture holding the lenses
is secured by a small hold-down bolt. The bolt passes through this
fixture downward to the electric base socket (which is how it's mounted to
the hood.) "Color changes were made by loosening this bolt and rotating the
top assembly."
Now comes the confusing part. On one page a caption under a picture
reads "..lamp shown here is fitted with green and red lenses" On the next
page, the text continues "Classification lamps were attached to the front of
the locomotive. Most classification lamps provided only two indications, one
to the front and one to the side. Although most featured some method of
changing the color of the lenses displayed, the standard colors used
were white and green."
It continues further with "As with marker lamps, the combination of
lenses displayed was dependent on the purpose of the train and was dictated
by the railroad's rule book. For example, extra trains typically
displayed classification lamps showing white lenses to both the front and
the side."
As I said, this is confusing as to what color should be modeled. This
hasn't really answered the question, and is probably more than anyone
wanted to know (or read) about this. I'd appreciate more info on this
as I'm modeling the late '50's in what I call the "green years" and love
them RS-3's!!! On Geeps, I'm just using clear or white lenses as that is
what it looks like in all pictures.
mike garber
03/07/01
Found a close up shot of a Southern/CNO&TP RS3. Marker definitely has
three lens.
Will make print and scan. Also had some small levers/handles used the change
the color of the marker.
Warren Calloway
"F" Unit Horns 1950-60's
06/16/01 SMRF list
I looked over a large number of photos and slides I have of Southern F's in
service today. All I have looked at so far through the late 70's have some
reversed chimes in their five chime Nathan horn cluster. The SR F-unit
pictures with all five chimes pointing forward were taken in the 80's of the
four final FP7's used in excursion and office car train service. In the
early 80's these four FP7's had their horns changed from the original cord
operated straight pneumatic horn system to the sander-type switch operated
electro-pneumatic system used on most later SR road switchers. Possibly this
may have been when the chimes may have been reconfigured all facing forward
or possibly replaced with a new horn cluster with all chimes facing forward.
Ben Lee
GP7 Fuel Tank Data
| ROAD # | FIRST # | OWNER | AS BUILT | Mid 1950s | 1972 CAP | S/G | D/B | WATER | NOTES | O/N | B/N | B/D |
| 8210 - 8213 | 8210-8213 | GS&F | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | YES | NO | 1040 gal | | 6068 | 10984-10987 | May-50 |
| 8216 | 106 | CG | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal. | NO | NO | | | 5004 | 12068 | Jul-50 |
| | 107 | CG | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | NO | NO | | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 5004 | 12069 | Jul-50 |
| 8217-8220 | 120-123 | CG | 1100 gal | 1100 gal | 1100 gal. | YES | NO | 1100 gal | Air tanks on roof | 5059 | 9661-9663 | May-51 |
| 8221-8229 | 124-132 | CG | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal. | NO | NO | | | 5118 | 14479-14488 | 04/51-05/51 |
| 8230 | 406 | A&EC | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6299 | 14571 | May-51 |
| 8231-8234 | 701-704 | G&F | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6069 | 11091-11094 | Sep-50 |
| | 705-706 | G&F | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | NO | NO | | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 6069 | 11095-11096 | Sep-50 |
| 8235-8236 | 705-707 | TA&G | 1200 gal | 1200 gal | 1200 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6303 | 14569-14570 | Apr-51 |
| 8237 | 708 | TA&G | 1200gal | 1200gal | 1200 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6303 | 14740 | Aug-51 |
| 8238-8244 | 2063-2069 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6485 | 17675-17681 | Jan-53 |
| 8245 | 2070 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1500 gal. | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 6485 | 17682 | Jan-53 |
| 8246 | 2071 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6485 | 17683 | Jan-53 |
| | 2072 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 6485 | 17684 | Jan-53 |
| 8247-8248 | 2073-2074 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6485 | 17685-17686 | Jan-53 |
| | 2075 | SOU | 800 gal | 1600 gal | 1600 gal. | NO | NO | | Modified capy at Spencer-Ret prior to 8200-series #s | 6485 | 17687 | Jan-53 |
| 8249-8250 | 2076-2077 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6485 | 17688-17689 | Jan-53 |
| 8251-8260 | 2156-2165 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | YES | NO | 1040 gal | 2159, 2161, 2164 have 800 gallons water capacity | 5078 | 13460-13469 | Apr-51 |
| 8261 | 2166 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 5117 | 13470 | Jun-51 |
| | 2167 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 5117 | 13471 | Jun-51 |
| 8262-8269 | 2168-2173 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 5117 | 13472-13477 | Jun-51 |
| 8269 | 2174 | SOU | 800 gal | 1500 gal | 800 gal | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 5117 | 13478 | Jun-51 |
| 8269 | 2175 | SOU | 800 gal | 1500 gal | 1500 gal. | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 5117 | 13479 | Jun-51 |
| 8270 | 2176 | SOU | 800 gal | 1500 gal | 800 gal | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 5117 | 13480 | Jun-51 |
| 8271 | 2177 | SOU | 800 gal | 1500 gal | 1500 gal. | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 5117 | 13481 | Jun-51 |
| 8272-8273 | 2178-2179 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 5117 | 13482-13483 | Jul-51 |
| 8274 | 2180 | SOU | 800 gal | 1500 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | Modified capacity at Spencer | 5117 | 13484 | May-51 |
| 8275-8277 | 2181-2183 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1440 gal. | NO | YES | | MOD 1967-RC Master | 5208 | 16501-16503 | Sep-52 |
| | 2184 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1440 gal. | NO | YES | | MOD 1967-RC Master-Retired prior to 8200 series #s | 5208 | 16504 | Sep-52 |
| 8278 | 2185 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1440 gal. | NO | YES | | MOD 1967-RC Master | 5208 | 16505 | Sep-52 |
| | 2186 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1440 gal. | NO | YES | | MOD 1967-RC Master-Retired prior to 8200 series #s | 5208 | 16506 | Sep-52 |
| 8279-8285 | 2187-2189 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 1440 gal. | NO | YES | | MOD 1967-RC Master | 5208 | 16507-16509 | Sep-52 |
| 8282-8285 | 2190-2193 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | NO | YES | | | 5208 | 16510-16513 | Sep-52 |
| | 2194 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | NO | YES | | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 5208 | 16514 | Sep-52 |
| 8286-8287 | 2195-2196 | SOU | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | NO | YES | | | 5208 | 16515-16516 | Sep-52 |
| 8288 | 2197 | NO&NE | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | NO | NO | | | 6485 | 17674 | Jan-53 |
| | 6200-6201 | CNO&TP | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 6032 | 10146-10147 | Apr-50 |
| 8289-8290 | 6202-6203 | CNO&TP | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | YES | NO | 800 gal | | 6032 | 10148-10149 | Apr-50 |
| 8291-8292 | 6204-6205 | CNO&TP | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal. | YES | NO | 800 gal | | 6032 | 10977-10978 | Apr-50 |
| 8293-8297 | 6240-6244 | CNO&TP | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | | 6490 | 17669-17673 | Jan-53 |
| 8298-8299 | 6540-6541 | AGS | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | | 6067 | 10979-10980 | May-50 |
| | 6542 | AGS | 800 gal | 800 gal | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 6067 | 10981 | May-50 |
| 8300 | 6543 | AGS | 800 gal. | 800 gal. | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | | 6067 | 10982 | May-50 |
| | 6544 | AGS | 800 gal. | 800 gal. | 800 gal | YES | NO | 800 gal | Retired prior to 8200-series number assignment. | 6067 | 10983 | May-50 |
© Warren Calloway
SOUTHERN PASSENGER TRAINS
from the April 30, 1967 SRWY timetable w/E8 #6908 on cover
For routes refer to SYSTEM MAPTo return click on back button on your browser
THE CRESCENT Daily
#37 Southbound #38 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU
From Atlanta, Ga. to Montgomery, Al. via the WPR
From Montgomery, AL. to New Orleans via the L&N
THE SOUTHERNER Daily
#47 Southbound 348 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to New Orleans via the SOU
THE PEACH QUEEN Daily
#29 Southbound #36 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Atlanta, Ga. via the SOU
THE PIEDMONT LIMITED Daily
#35 Southbound 334 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Salisbury, Nc. via the SOU
THE ASHEVILLE SPECIAL Twice Daily
#37-15 & 47-15 Southbound #16-38 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Asheville, Nc. via the SOU
THE CAROLINA SPECIAL
Daily #1-28(SC train)1-28-22(NC Train)
Southbound #27-2(NC Train) &
#21-27-2(SC Train) Northbound
From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the NYC
From Chicago, Il. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the PRR
From Detroit to Toledo, Oh. via the C&O
From Toledo, Oh. to Cincinnati, Oh. via the B&O
From Cincinnati, Oh. to Coloumbia, SC via the SRR(SC train)
From Asheville, NC to Greensboro, Nc. via the SRR(NC train)
THE BIRMINGHAM SPECIAL Daily
#17 Southbound #18 Northbound
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Birmingham, Al. via the SOU
THE PELICAN Daily #41 Southbound #42 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Meridian, Ms. via the SOU
From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the IC
From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans via the SOU
THE PELICAN-TENNESSEAN Daily
#41-45 Southbound #46-42 Northbound
From Boston, Ma. to New York via NYNH&H
From NY to Washington, DC via the PRR
From DC to Lynchburg, Va. via the SOU
From Lynchburg, Va. to Bristol, Tn. via the N&W
From Bristol, Tn. to Memphis, Tn. via the SOU
CENTRAL of GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily
#20-9 Southbound #10-19 Northbound
From Atlanta, Ga. to Albany, Ga. via the C of GA
From Albany, Ga. to Jacksonville, Fl. via the ACL
CENTRAL OF GEORGIA RAILWAY Daily
#108 Southbound #107 Northbound
From Atlanta, Ga. to Savannah, Ga via the Cof GA
Data for the Queen & Crescent
is from the April, 1947 SRR timetable
Cincinnati was known as the Queen City
New Orleans was known as the Crescent City
THE QUEEN & CRESCENT Daily Trains
#1, 3 Southbound, Trains #2, 4 Northbound
From Cincinnati, Oh. to Meridian, Ms. via the SRR
From Meridian, Ms. to Shreveport, La. via the ICRR
From Shreveport, La. to New Orleans, La. via the SRR
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THE "CRESCENT LIMITED
The "Crescent Limited" an all Pullman, extra fare train from New York to
New Orleans was begun on April 26, 1925. Pulled by the Ps4 Pacific No 1372,
which was painted standard black but specially lettered for the "Crescent
Limited"(photo in "Steel Steam and Limiteds" page 162)
The President of the Southern, Fairfax Harrison, ordered the all Ps4's
painted green, after returning from a vacation in England in 1925. The
remainder of the Ps4's were delivered from the manufacturer in green.
In 1929 the pullman company delivered the two-color green cars, before
this the pullmans were the standard "Pullman Green". The exteriors of the
cars are painted in two shades of green. The sides of the cars up to the
window sills and the panels above the windows are painted Virginia Green,
the shade which Southern Railway passenger locomotives are painted.
The panels between the windows are in a lighter shade. All the cars are
lettered "Crescent Limited" in gold leaf in the upper panels.
Each train includes one club car; one 8-section, 2 compartment, 1-drawing
room sleeping car; one 14-section car; four 10-section, 2-drawing room cars;
(2) one 3-compartment, 2-drawing room observation car. Southern
Railway postal car is handled between Washington and Atlanta and dining car
between Monroe and Atlanta, making the maximum consist ten cars between
Monroe and Atlanta. (3) The Southern Railway cars are painted just as the
Pullman cars with the exception that the word "Southern" is painted at the
ends of the upper panels in place of the word "Pullman."
This train operated as such till 1934 when the name was dropped.
The train was renamed 37 & 38 and operated with coaches till 1938.
The Southern renamed the train "Crescent" at this time and operated it till
1979. At this time it was transferred to AMTRAK.
THE "QUEEN & CRESCENT LIMITEDS
The "Queen & Crescent Limited", an all Pullman, extra fare train from
Cincinnati to New Orleans, was begun on May 1, 1926. This train was similar
to the "Crescent Limited" except routing.
System Divisions and Lines
This information from the January 1946 timetable
EASTERN SYSTEM
| Charleston Division |
| Charleston and Columbia |
| Charleston, Branchville and Augusta |
| Kingville, Rock Hill and Marion |
| Charlotte Division |
| Charlottte and Atlanta |
| Toccoa and Elberton--Lula and Athens |
| Columbia Division |
| Columbia, Savannah and Jacksonville |
| Columbia and Spartanburg |
| Lockhart Junction and Lockhart |
| Columbia and Greenville |
| Danville Division |
| Monroe and Spencer |
| Greensboro and Goldsboro |
| Richmond Division |
| Richmond and Danville |
| Norfolk and Danville |
| Washington Division |
| Washington and Monroe |
| Winston-Salem Division |
| Greensboro and Winston-Salem |
| Winston-Salem and Charlotte |
| Winston-Salem and North Wilkesboro |
| Charlotte and Statesville |
CENTRAL SYSTEM
| Appalachia Division |
| Bulls Gap and Rogersville |
| Asheville Division |
| Asheville and Spartansburg |
| Salisbury and Asheville |
| Asheville and Murphy |
| Atlanta Division |
| Atlanta and Austell |
| Atlanta, Austell and Chattanooga |
| Atlanta and Macon |
| Atlanta, Macon and Brunswick |
| Atlanta and Columbia..Williamson |
| Williamson and Fort Valley |
| Cochran and Hawkinsville |
| Rome and Attalla |
| Knoxville Division |
| Asheville, Knoxville and Oakdale |
| Knoxville, Clinton and Fonde |
| Corryton and Cumberland Gap |
| Knoxville & Augusta Division |
| Knoxville and Maryville |
| Memphis Division |
| Chattanooga and Memphis |
| Sheffield and Florence |
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WESTERN SYSTEM
| Birmingham Division |
| Atlanta and Birmingham |
| Birmingham and Columbus, Ms. |
| Sheffield, Paris and Birmingham |
| Louisville Division |
| Louisville and Danville |
| Mobile Division |
| Birmingham, Wilton, Selma and Mobile |
| Rome, Anniston, Selma and York |
| Selma, Marion Junction and Akron |
| St.Louis Division |
| Louisville and St. Louis |
SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM LINES
| Alabama Great Southern Railroad |
| Chattanooga and Meridian |
| Baltimore Steam Packet Company |
| Baltimore and Norfolk Service |
| Blue Ridge Railway |
| Carolina & Northwestern Railway |
| Cincinnatti, New Orleans & Texas Pacific |
| Cincinnatti and Chattanooga |
| Danville & Western Railway |
| Georgia Southern & Florida Railway |
| Macon and jacksonville |
| Valdosta and Palatka |
| Louisville & New Corydon Railroad |
| New Orleans & Northeastern Railroad |
| Meridian and New Orleans |
| Talluah Falls Railway |
| Yazoo & Mississippi Valley Railroad |
Subsidary Companies
Operating Railroads and Terminals
Class I
The Alabama Great Southern Railroad Company
Central of Georgia Railroad Company
The Cincinnati, New Orleans and Texas Pacific Railway Company
Class II
Georgia Southern and Florida Railway Company
Norfolk Southern Railway Company
Class III
Atlantic and East Carolina Railway Company
Birmingham Terminal Company
Camp Lejeune Railroad Company
Chattanooga Station Company
The Georgia Northern Railway Company
Interstate Railroad Company
Live Oak, Perry and South Georgia Company Railway Company
Louisiana Southern Railway Company
New Orleans Terminal Company
St. Johns River Terminal Company
State University Railroad Company (54%)
Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Railway Company
Tennessee Railway Company
Other Companies owned or controlled by the SRR
Airforce Pipeline, Inc.
Arrowood-Southern Company
Arrowood Southern Executive Park, Inc.
The Atlanta and Charlotte Air Line Railway Company
Atlanta Terminal Company
Blue Ridge Railway Company
Charlotte-Southern Corporation
Chattanooga Terminal Railway Company
Citico Realty Company
Danville and Western Railway Atlantic and North Carolina
Durham and South Carolina Railroad Company
Elberton Southern Railway Company
The Georgia Midland Railway
High Point, Randleman, Asheboro and Southern Railroad Company (86%)
Lenoir Car Works
Macon Terminal Company
Memphis and Charleston Railway Company
Mobile and Birmingham Railroad Company (78%)
The National Investment Company
Norfolk Southern Industrial Development Corp.
The North Carolina Midland Railroad Company (97%)
Ocean Steamship Company of Savannah
Southern Rail Terminals, Inc.
Southern Rail Terminals of Alabama, Inc.
Southern Railway-Carolina Division
Southern Region Coal Transport, Inc
Southern Region Distribution Services, Inc.
Southern Region Industrial Realty, Inc.
Southern Region Investment Company
Southern Region Materials Supply, Inc.
Southern Region Motor Transport, Inc.
South Western Rail Road Company (98%)
Terminal Properties, Inc.
Transylvania Railroad Company (97%)
Virginia and Southwestern Railway Company
Yadkin Railroad Company (74%)
NOTE: CONTROL 100% OR AS INDICATED
Participating Ownership In Other Companies
Not Included In Consolidated Reporting
Algers, Winslow and Western Railway Company
Arrowood Corporate Center Associates
Atlantic and North Carolina Railroad Company
Augusta and Summerville Railroad Company
Beaver Street Tower Company
Central Transfer Railway and Storage Company
Chatham Terminal Company
Chattanooga Choo-Choo Company
The Cincinnati Union Terminal Company
l575 Eye Street Associates
Fruit Growers Express Company
Kentucky & Indiana Terminal Railroad Company
Norfolk and Portsmouth Belt Line Railroad Company
The North Carolina Railroad Company
North Charleston Terminal Company
Pullman Company
Queen City Developers
Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac Railroad Company
Richmond-Washington Company
7000 North Fairfax Street Limited Partnership
Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis
Trailer Train Company
Woodstock & Blocton Railway Company
Railroads Leased and Operated-Not Owned
Cincinnati Southern Railway
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